If you are thinking about the Internet and its applications, such as e-mail, blog, social networking sites, the answer is yes.
Don't you think that the extremists can now find each other and strengthen their cause because of the Internet?
Don't you think that the extremists can now find each other and strengthen their cause because of the Internet?
You mean, they would have been isolated and contained in the old times?
Kindred spirits can support each other, and thus, feel legitimized. People at the ends of the spectrum are now much more confident than before.
Kindred spirits can support each other, and thus, feel legitimized. People at the ends of the spectrum are now much more confident than before.
I suppose some ends are good ends...
What if the destructive types get together thanks to the ease of communication and search? As a coherent group, they could instill fear and make us distrust each other.
What if the destructive types get together thanks to the ease of communication and search? As a coherent group, they could instill fear and make us distrust each other.
We are more divided, paradoxically because of the greater possibilities to be united?
Let me present a different case. When we did not know how to record audio information, the only way we could listen to music was by being at a place where a performer was.
Let me present a different case. When we did not know how to record audio information, the only way we could listen to music was by being at a place where a performer was.
All music was live back then.
It was important to know people who could perform, preferably well, or people who knew such people. Put differently, it made great sense to try our best to be in good terms with people in that arena.
It was important to know people who could perform, preferably well, or people who knew such people. Put differently, it made great sense to try our best to be in good terms with people in that arena.
I bet that the ability to play music instruments used to be a big bargain chip in arranged marriages.
Before Johannes Gutenberg, most manuscripts needed to be copied by hand. That limited the number of copies available.
Before Johannes Gutenberg, most manuscripts needed to be copied by hand. That limited the number of copies available.
Which meant that if you wanted to read something, you had to know and be in good relationship with the owner of the original or one of the few copies.
Connections matter for story telling, too. You have to know a story teller, and that person must agree to your request of telling a story. The same holds for artisan talents. Suppose chests could be made only by hand and you were very good at it. People will try to be good friends with you so that you would agree to make one for them when they need it.
Connections matter for story telling, too. You have to know a story teller, and that person must agree to your request of telling a story. The same holds for artisan talents. Suppose chests could be made only by hand and you were very good at it. People will try to be good friends with you so that you would agree to make one for them when they need it.
Whereas today, you can go to any store, be nasty to the store personnel, mess around with the display and still get the item.
You can purchase almost anything through the Internet, so you can live without getting in contact with a human being.
You can purchase almost anything through the Internet, so you can live without getting in contact with a human being.
Except in cases where the presence of your body is essential, such as having illness treated, hair cut, and tattooed. Dancing and kissing, too.
I'd say we are getting more and more alienated. Driving personal cars is a contributing factor in that regard. It is very convenient for doing weekly grocery shopping, traveling under bad weather, reaching remote places, etc., but we don't come into contact with fellow travelers, drivers and conductors.
I'd say we are getting more and more alienated. Driving personal cars is a contributing factor in that regard. It is very convenient for doing weekly grocery shopping, traveling under bad weather, reaching remote places, etc., but we don't come into contact with fellow travelers, drivers and conductors.
We are free to curse loudly and as much as we like about other drivers on the road, because they wouldn't hear us. We may want to apologize for not giving the right of way when we should have, but there is no way to do so, either.
Technology has allowed us to live without maintaining good social networks. At the same time, it has provided us with the means to overcome the physical distance and to shorten the time required to exchange information. Think about the era when the letters were carried by a running human being.
Technology has allowed us to live without maintaining good social networks. At the same time, it has provided us with the means to overcome the physical distance and to shorten the time required to exchange information. Think about the era when the letters were carried by a running human being.
Or a ship... Can't we say that we now have more control over with whom we mingle? We can ignore the owner of the corner grocery store whom we don't like, because we can go to a further store by car or order through the Internet. We can also become a member of all sorts of groups and get to know the members.
It may be a good thing to be among the people that you get along well with, but that poses a problem, too.
It may be a good thing to be among the people that you get along well with, but that poses a problem, too.
Again? What's wrong with staying away from people that we don't like? Most likely, the feelings are mutual.
We can't choose our family members, neighbors, classmates and colleagues. We have to deal with people whom we do not like, even abhor, in this age as well.
We can't choose our family members, neighbors, classmates and colleagues. We have to deal with people whom we do not like, even abhor, in this age as well.
What about telecommuting?
You still need to interact with people who pay for your skills. Besides, if you don't like someone, electronic communication is not necessarily a good solution.
You still need to interact with people who pay for your skills. Besides, if you don't like someone, electronic communication is not necessarily a good solution.
I thought you would prefer that, because you could hide your eyes shining with anger and contempt. Plus, your hatred can become more intense just because of the fact that you have to see the person.
That's true... But I think there is art in dealing with people whom we dislike.
That's true... But I think there is art in dealing with people whom we dislike.
So?
The more we practice, the better we become at it.
The more we practice, the better we become at it.
I'd say that's the best-case scenario. Some people may just explode. Don't we know a very good example around here?
Stop that thing with your elbow, please... Honestly, I think we are losing numerous hands-on skills because of technological progress. As recorded music has become widespread, we don't need to practice playing a musical instrument as preparation for hosting a dinner with music.
We can invite Vladimir Ashkenazy, if we wish, and that without knowing him personally.
No need to procure a piano of his liking either. The same goes with other skills that I referred to---story telling, chest making---and many others.
No need to procure a piano of his liking either. The same goes with other skills that I referred to---story telling, chest making---and many others.
Isn't it good that we get to listen to first-class music with so little money?
Yes and no. Enjoying the very best art performance is no longer the prerogative for the rich and the powerful. It also means that we have much less need for second-, third-, and fourth-rate performers.
Yes and no. Enjoying the very best art performance is no longer the prerogative for the rich and the powerful. It also means that we have much less need for second-, third-, and fourth-rate performers.
I see why you are so passionate about this issue.
I think you got it all wrong. Continuing with the case of recorded music, technology has democratized music by making it inexpensive to be exposed to top-notch performances, but also de-democratized by making us much less appreciative of amateurs and second-class professionals.
I think you got it all wrong. Continuing with the case of recorded music, technology has democratized music by making it inexpensive to be exposed to top-notch performances, but also de-democratized by making us much less appreciative of amateurs and second-class professionals.
Winners take all... That's also the case with sports.
You got that one right. Because of television broadcasts, we feel less need to go see a real match by mediocre players.
You got that one right. Because of television broadcasts, we feel less need to go see a real match by mediocre players.
Don't you think anything live has value because of that?
If it were not for that, so-so performers in any field would have been long gone. I'm inclined to single out digitization as worrisome development.
If it were not for that, so-so performers in any field would have been long gone. I'm inclined to single out digitization as worrisome development.
Comrade, you are one of the people who would be worse than hopeless if it were not for a digital camera.
It's not only photography, but also in other visual arts as well as in music, computer literacy and dexterity count for a lot nowadays.
It's not only photography, but also in other visual arts as well as in music, computer literacy and dexterity count for a lot nowadays.
Digitization enables easy entry into the field, and hence, it's democratization. However, in order to make full use of the tools, we are required to have skills that are beyond artistry. Is this where you are going?
Bravo, bravo, bravo...
Bravo, bravo, bravo...
I remember seeing you having a hard time locating an on-off switch of a television.
Come on, when I was three years old? Modern technology replaces much of what was unwritten and considered intuitive. It formalizes and verbalizes such knowledge and skills.
Come on, when I was three years old? Modern technology replaces much of what was unwritten and considered intuitive. It formalizes and verbalizes such knowledge and skills.
That is a necessary step to invent instruments meant for people without good intuition and feel for the art. Can't we say that, as a result, everybody is on the same playing field irrespective of such qualities?
I'm not so sure. The other day, I attended a demonstration session for photo-editing software, and it dawned on me that most attendees spent a tremendous amount of time on editing. They were mostly retirees, so that may have been the reason, but still...
I'm not so sure. The other day, I attended a demonstration session for photo-editing software, and it dawned on me that most attendees spent a tremendous amount of time on editing. They were mostly retirees, so that may have been the reason, but still...
What were you doing there?
To learn about this new software, of course. After sitting in the lecture room for a while, I realized that mastering all the new features as they come out is not part of fun for me. For many, photography seems to be about editing, editing and editing. Some at the demonstration talked about how excited they were when they found out that the shots from long ago could be improved with the latest software. For others, it is about clicking when they come across something visual that touches them.
To learn about this new software, of course. After sitting in the lecture room for a while, I realized that mastering all the new features as they come out is not part of fun for me. For many, photography seems to be about editing, editing and editing. Some at the demonstration talked about how excited they were when they found out that the shots from long ago could be improved with the latest software. For others, it is about clicking when they come across something visual that touches them.
Isn't that the difference between pros/semi-pros and others?
Henri was also not keen on developing films, mind you. Occasionally, he would leave them rolled up for years. The act of framing and capturing a fleeting moment, that's what thrills us.
Henri was also not keen on developing films, mind you. Occasionally, he would leave them rolled up for years. The act of framing and capturing a fleeting moment, that's what thrills us.
Us...? But isn't that a stretch as a description of your endeavor? Buildings and statues do not exactly fleet, you know.
Don't get lost in personal details, comrade. My point is this: technology has made being artsy and techy interchangeable to a great extent.
Don't get lost in personal details, comrade. My point is this: technology has made being artsy and techy interchangeable to a great extent.
Does that make you uncomfortable?
By definition, the artsy type has few words to explain what they are doing. In contrast, the techy type can overwhelm you with all the jargons, and that includes when their art work is not so great.
By definition, the artsy type has few words to explain what they are doing. In contrast, the techy type can overwhelm you with all the jargons, and that includes when their art work is not so great.
Well, even before digitization, we had similar problems. Ones who can play the violin well versus others who are better at music theory. Ones who can paint well versus others who are steeped in art history.
I'd say the problem has slightly changed, because the techy ones now have the means to create something that would have been impossible for them. Getting back to the issue of technology and people connections, I also know that before the advent of specialized magazines, books and eventually the Internet, we used to rely much more on connections for information.
I'd say the problem has slightly changed, because the techy ones now have the means to create something that would have been impossible for them. Getting back to the issue of technology and people connections, I also know that before the advent of specialized magazines, books and eventually the Internet, we used to rely much more on connections for information.
Are you talking about totalitarian regimes which tend to be challenged in that domain?
Not necessarily. I remember my mother tapping the right person for each kind of information. If you want to know very good restaurants without limits on budget, talk to Monsieur A. If you want to know good-value-for-the-money restaurants, talk to Madame B. If you are looking for a place to have a drink near the theater, talk to Madame C, and so on. Naturally there was a don of information and connections in the neighborhood, and if you had no idea whom to ask you turned to that person.
Not necessarily. I remember my mother tapping the right person for each kind of information. If you want to know very good restaurants without limits on budget, talk to Monsieur A. If you want to know good-value-for-the-money restaurants, talk to Madame B. If you are looking for a place to have a drink near the theater, talk to Madame C, and so on. Naturally there was a don of information and connections in the neighborhood, and if you had no idea whom to ask you turned to that person.
The risk was that your inquiry may be relayed on the string phone, and turn into a big rumor.
Sure, there's always that possibility, whereas you can do any search on the Internet and erase your browsing history. But you must agree that the value of maintaining good personal relationships has gone down.
Sure, there's always that possibility, whereas you can do any search on the Internet and erase your browsing history. But you must agree that the value of maintaining good personal relationships has gone down.
All right... But aren't you happy that you don't have to flash many insincere smiles in order to obtain what you want?